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COMPUTER CHIMES,
WHIRRING

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WHIRRING

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'As a journalist,

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'you are consumed
by two questions constantly -

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'how to tell a story,

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'but, perhaps more crucially,
WHY to tell a story.

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'Imagine a country.

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Let's give it nice weather.'

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WIND GUSTS

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'Nice weather for England, anyway.

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'Imagine the people in this country

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'believe they are
living in a democracy,

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'believe in their own freedom.

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'But they are being abused

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they don't know to look for it.

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'A treacherous combination of press,
the police and politicians

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'that hide in plain sight.

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'Imagine a country
where that concealment was...

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'Imagine a country where...

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Shit!
CAR HORN HONKS

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Imagine it all deleted.

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HE SIGHS
Florid nonsense.

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'My name is Nick Davies.

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'and this is a story

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'that ends in seven
major police investigations,

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'nearly 40 convictions,

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'and some of the most
powerful people in this country

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'being brought to their knees.'

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Oh, no. It's too grand,
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HE CLEARS THROAT
'My name is Nick Davies.

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'I'm a journalist.'

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Morning. I'll just check in.

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'This all started
with Stuart Kuttner.'

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Hello.

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Mm, no.

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'This is the most troubling story
I've ever written.

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'A story about the abuse of power
and the concealment of truth.'

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Hi. Hi. Nick Davies
for the Today programme.

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I'm late.

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British journalism is
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That is the claim of the journalist
Nick Davies,

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who's written a book that shows how
often newspapers use illegal methods

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for getting their stories.

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It's called Flat Earth News,
and Nick Davies joins us now.

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Hi.

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You say "sloppy" because
newspapers use press releases,

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rather than
getting their own stories,

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and "morally bankrupt"
because of the illegality involved.

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Really, the root that binds together
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is that the logic of journalism

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has been overwhelmed
by the logic of commercialism.

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Journalists no longer
have the time or the resources

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to do their jobs properly.

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Instead, they're just
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of unchecked second-hand material.

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OK, but you also...
You go much further in suggesting

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that there has been criminality
involved...

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Sure.

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..and that's generally accepted
within the press.

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hiring private investigators.

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They hire private investigators
to get your bank statements,

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your credit card statements,
your itemised phone bills,

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your tax records,

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even your health records
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All of that is illegal.

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OK. We're joined by John Mullin,

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who is the editor
of The Independent On Sunday,

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and Stuart Kuttner,

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who's managing editor
of News Of The World.

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Well, I ploughed my way
through the first half of the book,

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not the second half so far,

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and no-one can deny
that life in journalism

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is much harder than maybe it was
20, 30 years ago.

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that journalism as a whole

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is "a passive processor of news"?

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I think that's erroneous.

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Stuart Kuttner?

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Yes, I'll tell you what I think.

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I think, frankly,
listening to Nick Davies,

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I thought he was speaking from
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SHE CHUCKLES
It is totally unrecognisable to me.

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Many years in newspapers
in Fleet Street.

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Now, of course,
at the News Of The World.

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But what did he say
that was so wrong?

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if you like, er,

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shortcuts, PR interests,
commercial interests.

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I have to tell you, none of
my News Of The World journalists

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would recognise that at all.

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But what about the way
these people get the stories

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Well, if it happens, it...
it shouldn't happen.

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It happened once
at the News Of The World.

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The reporter was fired,

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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.

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And while Nick
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I notice he doesn't mention

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The Guardian's own
act of criminality,

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when The Guardian forged the
signature of a cabinet minister...

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OK, I-I don't want to
go into details of the story.

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I think the charge
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Sarah, you may not
want to go into detail,

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but Nick makes a broad-brush,
sweeping attack on our profession,

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which I happen to believe
is an honourable profession.

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VOICES MINGLE, ECHO

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PHONES RINGING,
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MAN: Hello, Mr...

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PHONES RINGING

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Did you hear it?

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I wish I hadn't.

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HE SIGHS

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You're too kind.

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I did say appearing on the Today
programme to attack journalism

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the most sensible idea.

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Listen, before I go home, I wanted
to talk to you about something.

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Good thing was, you weren't
representing The Guardian.

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You were talking about your book.

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My book.

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trying to besmirch us through you.

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I want out.

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HE INHALES

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Do you know anything
about baking competitions?

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No.

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I want to know how many people
cheat at baking competitions.

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Sounds like
exactly the sort of thing

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the Guardian
should be investigating (!)

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I don't mean out altogether.
I'd like to go to Brussels.

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Investigate a whole new horizon,
something well paid...

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..that will allow me to commute.

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The kids are old enough now to
be able to... I need you here.

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PHONES RINGING,
CHATTER

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Sadiq Khan. Bugged.

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40-year convention breached.

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Needs a good journalist.

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Alan, I'm knackered.
Nobody likes me. I'm...

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Oh, come on.

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I like you... some of the time.

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And I'm sure there are
a few others who-who also... Please.

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quality. We'll talk tomorrow.

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I'm freelance precisely so that I
don't need to talk to you tomorrow.

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You're freelance
with more or less a sole employer.

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I say you should
talk to me tomorrow.

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by Stuart bloody Kuttner.

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Bye.

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Let me explain. Alan is, erm...

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Well, we grew up together.
In journalism, that is.

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PHONE BUZZING
He's always understood... Sorry.

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Yep.

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Who's this?

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'My name is...'
BLEEP

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Redacted, sorry.

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We'll call him Mr Apollo because...

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Erm, well, actually, because he's...

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It... It doesn't matter.

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'Listen, Kuttner made a mistake.'

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Well, I made several,

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chief amongst them
appearing on the Today programme.

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'He said it happened once.'

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It happened once.

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It happened once
at the News Of The World.

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he went to prison,
the editor resigned.

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You're talking about phone hacking.

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'Nick, your book
only scratched the surface.

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'We have to meet face to face,
somewhere absolutely discreet.

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Where and when?

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In the beginning,
it was next to nothing.

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Two men were arrested
for hacking phones in 2006.

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A private investigator,
Glenn Mulcaire...

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..and the Royal Editor
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Clive Goodman.

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The sentences they received
were short.

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The attention they got, limited.
But the crime was unusual.

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They had discovered
they could access

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other people's voicemail messages,

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on three of Prince William's staff
at Clarence House.

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How? They didn't say.

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Why?

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For the discovery
of private information.

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It was the start of
the next six years of my life.

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To be clear, I've never told anyone
who Mr Apollo is.

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So some guesses have been made.

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Bad guess.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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No.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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No. Sorry, it's not you.

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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HE CLEARS THROAT

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Oh, come on.

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HE SIGHS

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KNOCKING ON DOOR

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HE SIGHS

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Hi.

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You coming in, or...?

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Sure.

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Wow, this is nice.

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IN DISTANCE

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Nice choice of room.

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Just to check,
is The Guardian paying?

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Because if so, I'd implore you
to stay away from that minibar.

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Mulcaire, in the trial,
he said he'd hacked other...

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Um, Elle Macpherson...

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Sky Andrew, Max Clifford...

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He's a liar.

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Kuttner is a liar,
and one of the five is suing them.

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Which one?

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Well, that five
is just the tip of the iceberg.

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at the News Of The World

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has been endemic.

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Endemic?

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Mm.

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They pick up their leads
by intercepting voicemails,

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and only then do they get
photographs and quotes,

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to pretend they found the story
through legitimate means.

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They've hacked thousands.

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Here.

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Dial a number.

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Someone who's likely to not answer.

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LINE RINGING OUT

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Please leave...'

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That's your phone-a-friend?
The editor of The Guardian?

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Press nine.
PHONE BEEPS

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AUTOMATED VOICE:
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Enter one, two, three, four.
That's the factory setting.

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BEEPING

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AUTOMATED VOICE:
'Welcome to your voicemail.

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'You have one new message.'

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WOMAN: 'Alan, it's Mummy.

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'She won best sponge again,
and I'm sure she cheated.'

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I don't wanna hear this.

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It's that easy?
Mm.

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Doesn't even need a Glenn Mulcaire
most of the time.

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And you're saying
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Glenn's main job
was that when it got tricky,

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unlike with your Alan,

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was to blag
the mobile phone companies

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into resetting
the celebrities' PIN codes

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to their original factory setting.

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PHONE BUZZES
That's Alan.

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Please.

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'Who is this?'
Hi, yeah, it's Nick.

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'Oh.' Listen, change the voicemail
settings on your phone.

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Ask a young person.
I've got to go. Bye.

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Who is suing?

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HE INHALES

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The person who is, is currently
trying to get Scotland Yard

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00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,320
to hand over evidence
they collected and did nothing with

263
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,840
<font color="

264
00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,400
It's evidence that could...
HE SIGHS

265
00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,080
..burn, fuck and destroy
everything. Twice over.

266
00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,280
You won't tell me which one
of the five it is, will you?

267
00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,560
I will tell you...

268
00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,640
<font color="

269
00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,440
Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes.

270
00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,240
Will you go on the record?

271
00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,400
HE SIGHS

272
00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,680
If you dig, it comes from you.

273
00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,200
I-I can...

274
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,480
I can confirm things, but...
HE SIGHS

275
00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,160
<font color="
of journos behaving badly.

276
00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,760
You're not interested?

277
00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,640
It's interesting, but...
you should talk to someone else.

278
00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,960
Do you realise I could lose my job
just by talking to you?

279
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,080
Don't worry,
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280
00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,280
No, no, no.
That's not my point, Nick. You...

281
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,560
Think. Think who edited the paper.

282
00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,320
Think about where he sits now.

283
00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,840
You're talking about Andy Coulson.

284
00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:34,840
Stop him.

285
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,520
Shit.

286
00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,080
<font color="
Stand clear of the doors, please.'

287
00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,520
Andy Coulson,
a rapid-ascent journalist.

288
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,040
From a local reporter
to Showbiz at The Sun,

289
00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240
he was made editor
of News Of The World in 2003.

290
00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,320
<font color="

291
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,920
over the original
phone hacking case,

292
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,280
it was seen as honourable,

293
00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,160
him carrying the can
for the one rogue reporter.

294
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,880
"Not me, really, guv."

295
00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,000
But if he was... If he is...

296
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,520
If this is endemic,

297
00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,960
<font color="
communications director.

298
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,040
For him to be involved
in widespread criminality...

299
00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,360
No. No, bad idea.

300
00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,080
DOORBELL RINGS

301
00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,320
I'm not late.

302
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,360
It would be fine
if you were to be a bit late,

303
00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,800
<font color="

304
00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,680
Are they ready?
Are they ever ready?

305
00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,280
Kids?

306
00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,720
You OK?

307
00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,480
Kids!
GIRL: Yes, coming!

308
00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,640
Ooh, you're anxious to go, then.

309
00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,520
Sorry. How are you, etc?

310
00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,640
<font color="

311
00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,840
Never better.

312
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,880
Really? I heard you on the radio.

313
00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,360
Mm.
That sort of performance help sales?

314
00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,440
Oh, I would doubt it.

315
00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,480
Mm.

316
00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,120
I'm, erm...

317
00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,280
I am worried about... BLEEP.

318
00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,920
<font color="
my child's name.

319
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480
Let's call him... Beans.

320
00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,760
He comes home,
locks himself in his room.

321
00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,280
I have tried to talk to him, but...

322
00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,440
Avoids all questions.

323
00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,080
So, do we bring the school in?

324
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,880
Let's get the details,
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325
00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,160
Oh, you sound like a journalist.

326
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,800
Let me try.

327
00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,920
Let me try.

328
00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,120
OK.

329
00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,640
Got a new recipe.

330
00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,080
OK, Dad.
Stuffed tomato thing.

331
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,440
Yeah, nice. Sounds good.

332
00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,320
I'll call you when it's ready.
<font color="

333
00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,080
Yep.
So...

334
00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,720
I met someone today.

335
00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,080
A source.

336
00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,440
'He was pissed off with
what Kuttner said on the radio.'

337
00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,520
OK.

338
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,880
Hacking was "endemic", he said,
at News Of The World.

339
00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,800
<font color="
suing Scotland Yard

340
00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,720
for information on what was hacked.

341
00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,320
Now, I know... I know it's one of
either Elle Macpherson,

342
00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600
Simon Hughes, Gordon Taylor,
Sky Andrew or Max Clifford.

343
00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,000
'But I don't know which one.'

344
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000
<font color="

345
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,800
Do I dig?

346
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,640
Try to find out who it is?
If I find them, it might...

347
00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,920
we might get some evidence

348
00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,480
that proves foul play
was a bit more widespread.

349
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960
Imagine what it does
to Andy Coulson. He's about to...

350
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,840
<font color="
to 10 Downing Street.

351
00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,000
Did Cameron do
a fit-and-proper-person test on him?

352
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,760
'Did he even look into
Coulson's past?'

353
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,040
It's a good angle.

354
00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,960
'But another
"tabloids behaving badly" story?'

355
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,920
<font color="

356
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,640
And who wants to kick a bees' nest?

357
00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,120
Murdoch, you know?

358
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,000
This source...

359
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,400
'Has he got under your skin?'

360
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,120
No. I just wanted
to talk it out with someone. You.

361
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,240
Ah.

362
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,360
Always grateful
<font color="

363
00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,680
'Go home, Alan.'

364
00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,320
Who says I'm in the office?

365
00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,680
'We'll always have Brussels. Bye.'

366
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,640
It's creepy when you do that.

367
00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,480
Stare at me like that.

368
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,640
How are you?

369
00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,920
Why are you asking?

370
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,440
If there ever is anything
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371
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,320
Yes, Dad. I know.

372
00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,240
I, erm...
I-I never much liked school.

373
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,440
I'm not being bullied.

374
00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,240
I always saw school
as a necessity...

375
00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,599
Why does everyone always think
I'm being bullied?

376
00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,280
<font color="

377
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,000
..who-who used to hit us.

378
00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,079
Another kid?

379
00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:25,640
Actually, a teacher.

380
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,880
He used to...

381
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,360
God, he used to really scare me.

382
00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,560
I-I never used to do well.

383
00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,840
Erm...

384
00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,640
Well, I never used to do well
<font color="

385
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,040
but also, the thing
I remember most clearly...

386
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,520
rage.

387
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,080
I heard you on the radio.

388
00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,200
You listen to the Today programme?

389
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840
Mum makes us listen to or read
everything you do.

390
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,720
"You've an impressive dad."

391
00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,440
<font color="

392
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,280
"He may be a total dick,
but he's impressive."

393
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,360
HE SCOFFS
All right.

394
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,160
You know the story
of the dung beetle?

395
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,000
God. Really, again?

396
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,280
<font color="

397
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,320
First you have to eat a lot of shit.

398
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,040
Sometimes you have to
ignore bullies.

399
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,680
I'm not being bullied.
Sometimes you...

400
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,840
you have to puncture them.

401
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,000
I'm not, Dad.
There's always a way to...

402
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,120
<font color="
when the wankers...

403
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:24,680
when they suddenly seem vulnerable.

404
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,800
When they are...

405
00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,680
you have to clamp your pincers
onto them as hard as possible.

406
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,760
Do not let go.

407
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,400
Tomatoes are in the oven.
<font color="

408
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,480
I love you very much.

409
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,040
WOMAN'S DISTORTED VOICE

410
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,080
'You stupid child!

411
00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,000
'You are SUCH a disappointment!'

412
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,880
It won't surprise you to know
we didn't get the rights

413
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,840
to use their masthead.

414
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,800
Or this one.

415
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,080
<font color="

416
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,800
Hi, it's Nick Davies.

417
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,240
You still have that contact
at Scotland Yard?

418
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,880
MAN 1: 'No, sorry, mate.

419
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,120
'I really cannot be
getting involved with that one.

420
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:35,160
'You know how it is.'

421
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,720
<font color="
be sitting in Downing Street.

422
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,920
MAN 2: 'Yeah, and Murdoch's
already sitting on Downing Street.'

423
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,240
Yeah, I-I...

424
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,040
Yes, I appreciate that.
I understand.

425
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,640
If I could get some evidence
<font color="

426
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,240
MAN 2: 'No.'
MAN 3: 'No.'

427
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,720
MAN 4: 'No.'
All right. Thanks. Bye.

428
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,720
PHONE RINGS

429
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,320
NICK: Oh, hi.
Thanks for calling back.

430
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800
<font color="
Name redacted.

431
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,640
See you later.
Yeah.

432
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,680
OK, great. Zero...

433
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,320
..seven, seven, zero, zero, nine,

434
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,400
zero, zero, nine, five, four.

435
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,560
Got that. Thank you.

436
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,920
Hi. I'm wondering
<font color="

437
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,680
whoever represents Elle Macpherson.

438
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,640
No, no, I'm not a fan.

439
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240
No, I'm wondering
whether she's currently suing

440
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,560
the News Of The World.

441
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,400
Is that Max?

442
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,640
Hi, it's Nick Davies.

443
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,920
We met at The Orwell Prize.

444
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,840
<font color="

445
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,520
Well, no. Just give me a chance...
LINE GOES DEAD

446
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,560
HE SIGHS

447
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,320
Detective Buzz Aldrin?

448
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,640
Not his real name.

449
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,720
My name is Nick Davies.
I'm a Guardian journalist.

450
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,960
I believe you were looking into
<font color="

451
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,120
I'm very busy, Mr Davies.

452
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,600
I've followed your work, Buzz.
I know how principled you are.

453
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,840
I think you know that this...
what is happening here

454
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,280
is acutely in the public interest,

455
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,320
and if it's all dealt with
<font color="

456
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,360
it'll help no-one.

457
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,680
I can't talk to journalists.
You don't have to talk.

458
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,360
All I need to know is
which of the five non-royal names

459
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,520
in the Clive Goodman case
is now suing the paper.

460
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,600
Cough.

461
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,600
<font color="
Cough when I hit the right name.

462
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,760
You are very persistent.

463
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,960
Because what I understand

464
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,960
is that those five names
represent thousands,

465
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,040
thousands of people

466
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,480
who've had their privacy stolen
by this newspaper. Please.

467
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,000
<font color="

468
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,440
Simon Hughes.

469
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,320
Gordon Taylor.

470
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,400
"BUZZ" COUGHS

471
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,040
Thank you.

472
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,760
You did the right thing.

473
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,560
CHATTER

474
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,520
Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris?

475
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,760
Nick Davies at The Guardian.

476
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,440
I believe you represent
<font color="

477
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,480
I'm due in court.

478
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480
I understand that he's suing News
Of The World for breach of privacy.

479
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,480
Mr Davies, whether or not
Mr Taylor is my client,

480
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880
I have no interest
in talking to any press. Sorry.

481
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,360
<font color="

482
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,760
bring our whole industry
into disrepute.

483
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,960
You're very persistent.

484
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,680
Well, can you...

485
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600
can you tell me, then,
about John Hewison?

486
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,760
He's also a claimant, is he not?

487
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,120
And the interesting thing is,

488
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,120
<font color="
who those two are,

489
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,320
they might know Taylor.

490
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,920
They wouldn't know Hewison
because he's a lawyer.

491
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,200
Like you.

492
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,360
He's entrusted with
the secrets of others,

493
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,720
in the secrets of sports stars,
<font color="

494
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,160
which makes him interesting
to the News Of The World.

495
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,120
This is a news operation,

496
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,840
which is trying to undermine
the confidentiality

497
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,320
that crucially underlies
your profession.

498
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,480
If you want to fight it...

499
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,200
<font color="
but they're lions.

500
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,680
The Guardian's a lion too.

501
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,440
Well, what if I'm neither
a lion nor a tiger?

502
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960
What if... I am a walrus?

503
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,240
Walruses can be fierce.

504
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,600
And what if you're a...

505
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,520
See, I'm trying to think of
<font color="

506
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,320
Has Mr Taylor settled?
SHE LAUGHS

507
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,080
What evidence do you have?
Are there other claimants?

508
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,160
I'm sure you must... you must be
looking to engage more clients.

509
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,080
Privacy cases like this
<font color="

510
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,280
HE STUTTERS
What did Max Mosley get?

511
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,440
£60,000 and costs.

512
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,560
Line enough up, you could have
a class-action suit

513
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,040
worth a lot of money.

514
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,160
You were doing well,
reasonably well,

515
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,320
<font color="

516
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,680
I can't talk to you
about specific cases,

517
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,400
but I can tell you...

518
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,280
..I can tell you that
there is so much more to come.

519
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,640
PHONE BEEPS

520
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,360
PHONE BUZZING

521
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,560
Yep.

522
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,160
<font color="

523
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,400
Mr Apollo, you're back.

524
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,360
Are you watching me?

525
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,800
'I take it you're still interested
in this case, then?'

526
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,000
The deer is in the fireplace.
The lion is alight.

527
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,280
Wh-What the fuck are you doing?

528
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,400
<font color="
I have a tendency to make jokes.

529
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,680
I was trying to...
trying to be a Russian spy.

530
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,480
We could be spotted at any moment.
Do you know the risks?

531
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,960
I do. Sorry.

532
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,480
MR APOLLO SIGHS

533
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,240
So, you found the lawyer.

534
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
<font color="

535
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,080
Do I get a prize at the end of it?

536
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,440
Do you know how much
they're settling for? No.

537
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,680
MR APOLLO CHUCKLES

538
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,440
£400,000 in damages,
another £300,000 in legal expenses,

539
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,760
and their associates
<font color="

540
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,200
plus their legal.

541
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,560
The whole package comes in
at just over a million pounds.

542
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,880
Now, that's a lot,

543
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,080
even for News International,
to stomach.

544
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,440
But...

545
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,680
Max Mosley was...

546
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,440
<font color="
of being a Nazi at an orgy.

547
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,480
All he got was...

548
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Was £60,000, yes.
Now you're getting it.

549
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,440
Look, I need...

550
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120
I need paperwork,
or-or audio recording,

551
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,640
some sort of hard evidence.

552
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,080
<font color="

553
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,200
I just need to be able
to show The Guardian.

554
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,680
The preliminary hearings in 2007,
they're public record.

555
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,120
That's not enough.

556
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,800
Mm.

557
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,240
Right.

558
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,400
What is it?
You'll work it out.

559
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,880
<font color="
Nope.

560
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,360
I need to be able to use it.

561
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,280
Summarise it, yes.

562
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,880
Show it to your editor, yes.

563
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Quote from it, no.

564
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,520
Can I have your number?

565
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Be careful, Nick.

566
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,480
This could get nasty.

567
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,320
PHONE RINGING

568
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000
<font color="
I want you to have a look at.

569
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,880
OK.
Do you want some gingerbread?

570
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,520
My mother made it.
It's not very good.

571
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,080
I have evidence.

572
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,000
How long did that take you to get?

573
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200
Maybe two months.
<font color="

574
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,000
They're paying out millions
to cover this up.

575
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,120
This is a story.

576
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,200
Nick, newspapers
reporting on newspapers...

577
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,240
But the editor of that newspaper
is about to enter government.

578
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,400
<font color="
in hacking phones as an editor,

579
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760
imagine what he might do
to enemies of the Government.

580
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,080
Show me what you have.

581
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,440
OK, so...

582
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Printout of an email.

583
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,520
ross.hindley@news-of-the-world
to shadowmen@yahoo.co.uk.

584
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,080
<font color="
His email was "shadowmen"?

585
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,920
Mm. It says,
"Transcript for Neville.

586
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,920
"Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005."

587
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,040
I can read.

588
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,160
And Neville is...?

589
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,880
Neville Thurlbeck.
Chief reporter at News Of The World.

590
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,320
<font color="
of 35 voicemail messages

591
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,440
which had been left on the phones
of Gordon Taylor and a colleague.

592
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,760
It wasn't just Clive Goodman.

593
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,440
And then there's this.

594
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,000
Greg Miskiw, assistant editor,

595
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520
approving a payment of £7,000
<font color="

596
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,120
for a story on Gordon Taylor.

597
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,760
And the police have access
to all of this and more.

598
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,920
Can we use these?

599
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,200
No.

600
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,840
Can we get your Mr Apollo
to speak on the record?

601
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,800
How long have we known each other?

602
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,280
<font color="

603
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,240
And no interest
in trying to work that out.

604
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,400
It'll make me feel old.

605
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,920
Nearly 30 years.

606
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,360
This is it, Alan.

607
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,520
There is an industry
making huge profit

608
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,520
from invading
people's private lives,

609
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,240
<font color="
bullying tabloids

610
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920
have explicitly encouraged it
and are buying it.

611
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,520
This matters.

612
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Tin hats on.

613
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,880
Good. OK.

614
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
I'll-I'll let you know
when I've got something.

615
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,640
Thanks, Alan.

616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,120
<font color="
you lead a private life,

617
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,080
'but The Guardian
has uncovered evidence

618
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,160
'to suggest otherwise.

619
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,440
'This strange story began in 2006
with the arrest of two men.

620
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000
'The News Of The World
Royal Editor, Clive Goodman,

621
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,000
<font color="
Glenn Mulcaire.

622
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,360
'The men pled guilty
to phone hacking charges

623
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,040
'and served prison sentences.

624
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160
'Following an investigation,
the paper told the world

625
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640
'that hacking was the work
of "one rogue reporter".

626
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480
<font color="

627
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,600
'But it didn't.'

628
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,480
HE GROANS

629
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,680
RUPERT MURDOCH:
'From the beginning on,

630
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,240
'newspapers have prospered
for one reason -

631
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,720
'giving readers the news they want.'

632
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Shit.

633
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,200
<font color="
shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!

634
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,760
HE GROANS

635
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Keep it simple.

636
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,120
'Rupert Murdoch's
News Group Newspapers

637
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,200
'had paid out more than £1,000,000

638
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,000
'to settle legal cases
that threatened to reveal evidence

639
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,880
<font color="
repeated involvement

640
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320
'in the use of criminal methods
to get stories.'

641
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,680
ALAN: "The payments secured secrecy
over out-of-court settlements

642
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,280
"in three cases
that threatened to expose evidence

643
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360
<font color="
using private investigators

644
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,040
"to illegally hack into
the mobile phone messages

645
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,760
"of numerous public figures.

646
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760
"Cabinet ministers,
MPs, actors and sports stars

647
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,920
"were all targets
of private investigators."

648
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,880
<font color="
list all those groups?

649
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,360
We already have evidence of actors,
She Macpherson,

650
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,720
sport stars, Sky Andrew...
MPs, then?

651
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,280
I have an invoice, is

652
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,280
recording a payment
to a private investigator

653
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,000
<font color="
had been targeted.

654
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,080
It's likely hacking.

655
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920
This article has no named sources,
no evidence on the record.

656
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Alan thinks we have enough.
I do too.

657
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,520
And we haven't got right of reply.

658
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,200
<font color="

659
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,080
Murdoch and Brooks,
they have nuclear weapons.

660
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Right now, they do.

661
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,440
But we can neuter
their nuclear weapons with this.

662
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,720
If we do, Fleet Street
will fall in behind us,

663
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,360
the police soon after.
<font color="

664
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,440
When they find the information
they already have.

665
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,760
Information they've lost?

666
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Information
they don't know they have.

667
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,000
This is The Met we're talking about.

668
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Look, once we publish,
they'll be forced to act.

669
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,320
<font color="

670
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Now you're worried
I haven't gone far enough.

671
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080
No, it makes it more
in the public interest

672
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,280
if we can name him.

673
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,560
I did ring Conservative HQ -
right to reply, Gill.

674
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,920
I asked about
<font color="

675
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920
His office replied -
it "didn't ring any bells".

676
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,600
We've nothing
that directly links him.

677
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,920
I agree.

678
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,600
But...

679
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,880
we can say...

680
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720
that he was the editor in place

681
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640
<font color="
he was responsible, etc, etc, etc...

682
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400
That's good.

683
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,000
That's good.

684
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Yes?

685
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000
I'm uneasy. But if you're sure...

686
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,520
I am.

687
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,120
RUFUS: It reads well.

688
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,920
OK.

689
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,760
<font color="
on Wednesday, 8th of July, 2009,

690
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,320
we posted my news story
on The Guardian website.

691
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,560
As it ran, The Guardian news desk
asked a reporter, Caroline Davies,

692
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080
to call John Prescott,
ex-Deputy Prime Minister,

693
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,160
<font color="

694
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,920
I told him the gist of the story,
and he said, "Fookin' 'ell!"

695
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,240
'You'd have thought the police,

696
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,120
'in the committing
of a criminal offence,

697
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,640
'as, clearly, it is, against anyone,

698
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,040
'and particularly, you'd have
<font color="

699
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,440
'they would have told me about it.

700
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
'I would have asked them,
"What are you gonna do about it?" '

701
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Prescott roared.

702
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,720
But the house fell silent.

703
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Anyone?

704
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Anyone?

705
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,760
And Fleet Street, well...

706
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,160
<font color="

707
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,560
Fleet Street essentially
did their best to ignore the story.

708
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Ask any journalist
what a great story depends on.

709
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040
They'll say the same thing.

710
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,480
A new angle.

711
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920
One at least journalists
can get behind.

712
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,760
<font color="

713
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,280
to follow up on stories
so they have impact.

714
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,480
To make a story newsworthy
requires multiple news outlets.

715
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,040
But on this one...

716
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,240
crickets.

717
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440
My company couldn't have
settled the legal action

718
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,760
<font color="

719
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,680
If they had done,
I'd have known about it.

720
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
I tried to get this out
as wide as possible.

721
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,200
I talked on radio stations,
TV shows.

722
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040
I took constant calls from
agents of public figures asking,

723
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,440
<font color="

724
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,760
I slept about four hours.

725
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120
And then, at five in the afternoon,

726
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
I was surprised to hear
that John Yates,

727
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Assistant Commissioner
of Scotland Yard,

728
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120
was preparing to make a statement.

729
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,520
Good afternoon.

730
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
<font color="
in the original case

731
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360
and clearly come at this
with an independent mind.

732
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,880
In my opinion, what I've seen

733
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,000
is a most careful investigation
by very experienced detectives.

734
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,360
He proceeded
to gently demolish our work.

735
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,800
<font color="
there were thousands of victims.

736
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,280
The potential targets may have
run into hundreds of people.

737
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,320
But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic

738
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,480
against a far smaller
number of individuals.

739
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640
<font color="
has come to light,

740
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,120
I can see no reason
to reopen the inquiry.

741
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,480
Thank you. That's all for today.

742
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,040
REPORTER: Does that mean
The Guardian fabricated the story?

743
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,880
REPORTERS CLAMOUR

744
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,320
<font color="

745
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,280
'..may have run into
hundreds of people.

746
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,520
'But our inquiry showed
that they only used the tactic

747
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640
'against a far smaller
number of individuals.

748
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,160
'And since no additional evidence
has come to light,

749
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960
<font color="
to reopen the inquiry.'

750
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,480
REPORTER: 'That was
Assistant Commissioner John Yates,

751
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,880
'speaking in response to...'

752
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,000
What is it?

753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,040
The police haven't backed us,

754
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,239
and Keir Starmer's
<font color="

755
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,320
He was Director of
Public Prosecutions then.

756
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,080
But he doesn't consider
there was anything inappropriate

757
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,360
in the prosecutions
undertaken in this case.

758
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960
We are being squashed.

759
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239
We need to speak to your Mr Apollo.
<font color="

760
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,000
He... Mm.

761
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,320
No, he can contact me.
I can't contact him.

762
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,440
Nick.

763
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Our colleagues upstairs
are gravely concerned.

764
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,679
Is it possible you were set up?

765
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,440
No, this is right. I've...

766
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,920
<font color="
no quotes from documents.

767
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,440
We should never have published.

768
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,240
And Murdoch has set his attack dogs
on us in the Commons.

769
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,360
They're briefing
that we can't back up our story.

770
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,320
And now the CMS Select Committee
<font color="

771
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,040
That doesn't sound great.

772
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
They want to barbecue you, Nick,

773
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880
and John Yates
has given them permission.

774
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,840
I'm sorry. I, am...

775
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,120
I've read the runes wrong here.

776
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
The Guardian
are putting together a statement.

777
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,320
<font color="

778
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,720
I'll know when I see it.

779
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
I feel like
I'm having a heart attack.

780
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,200
HE EXHALES

781
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Why is everybody doing this?

782
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,320
HE EXHALES

783
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,600
My mother was a strong character.

784
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,720
Intelligent, forceful, imaginative.

785
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,800
<font color="
in domestic drudgery. She had...

786
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440
She had a furious temper.

787
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,960
This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of
"Spare the rod and spoil the child".

788
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,040
This was mad beatings,

789
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
when she came after us
with a black-eyed fury,

790
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,840
<font color="
she had to hand -

791
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,640
a dog lead, a slipper,
a riding crop, a rope.

792
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Are you ready to say you're sorry?

793
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,640
No.

794
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,040
DOOR SLAMS

795
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,320
I'd been working as a journalist
for a couple of decades,

796
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,840
<font color="
in criminal justice

797
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,040
and social problems,

798
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,720
when I saw that
I was being drawn to stories,

799
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,600
again and again,
with the same theme.

800
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,240
A deep-seated urge to hit back...

801
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,280
CHILDREN SHOUTING

802
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,960
<font color="

803
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,160
MAN: Mr Davies!

804
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,840
..who takes power and abuses it.

805
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Stupid child!

806
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,720
HE ROARS,
SCHOOL BELL RINGS

807
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,320
PHONE BUZZES

808
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,080
HE SIGHS

809
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320
Yeah, so, I tried hitting him back.

810
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,200
<font color="

811
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Seething rage.

812
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,480
I thought he looked vulnerable.

813
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,880
Oh.

814
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,760
Didn't work.

815
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,160
No.

816
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,280
You look terrible.

817
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Thank you.

818
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,640
What happened to you?

819
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,400
You asking me or him?

820
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,360
<font color="
to your mum's tonight.

821
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,320
Erm... She says she's cool with it
if you are.

822
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Yeah, sure, I don't mind.

823
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,560
REPORTER: 'It's been a day of
statement and counter-statement

824
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,200
'in the phone hacking affair,

825
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,920
<font color="
angrily refuting

826
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,720
'all the allegations
made by The Guardian.

827
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,240
'With the editor and the reporter

828
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,640
'due to appear
at the Media Select Committee,

829
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,160
'certain publications
are claiming a leftist agenda

830
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,680
<font color="
by The Guardian

831
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,000
'and calling for legal action
to be taken against the organisation

832
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,800
'if they can't back up

833
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
'spurious claims
made against Murdoch's paper.'

834
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,360
Hi.
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835
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,320
See you, kids.
Hi, kids.

836
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Oh, hang on...
I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine.

837
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,520
It's my fault.

838
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Sorry. Bad advice.

839
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,720
Coffee?
I'll...

840
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Thanks for this.
<font color="

841
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Nick?
Yeah?

842
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Have you eaten?

843
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,320
When?
In the last day.

844
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,960
I'm just...

845
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,360
a bit tired. I'm not...
I'm not really at my best.

846
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,480
I need to think. And the...

847
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,880
<font color="
want to see us tomorrow.

848
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,680
And The Guardian
have got this message

849
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,720
that their PR have written,
that is... that is just...

850
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,400
All right. OK.

851
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680
You look worse than he does.
Let's...

852
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,840
<font color="
I didn't tell him to fight back.

853
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,400
I told him to pick his moment.
I didn't want him to hit someone.

854
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Shit.

855
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,240
It's all right.

856
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Come on.

857
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,080
Sit down. Sit down.

858
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,320
Soup OK?

859
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
What do I do?

860
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,400
<font color="

861
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,840
Is, well,
we will talk to the school.

862
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,880
You think they'll do better?

863
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,560
It's a good school.

864
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Things have changed, you know.

865
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,440
Teachers, parents,
they're not allowed to do...

866
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,640
There's systems, right?

867
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,840
<font color="

868
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,760
Earlier today, I was reading this...

869
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,520
..papier-mache,
over-apologetic PR nonsense,

870
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,400
and I thought about all the times
I'd gone to her and apologised.

871
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,800
And all the times that I...
HEY STAMMERS

872
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,800
<font color="
gets a face like that.

873
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,880
OK.

874
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600
I'm gonna make the sofa up.
You're staying here tonight.

875
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,400
And I'll just put this soup on.

876
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,160
GAS HOB LIGHTS

877
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,120
PHONE BUZZES

878
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,320
LINE RINGING OUT

879
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,480
<font color="

880
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,240
I can't read that statement.

881
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,760
A retraction at this time...

882
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,760
you're asking me to say I was wrong.

883
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,080
If we can't get Mr Apollo
on the record,

884
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,000
then we need to make a retraction.

885
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,240
You know getting him on the record
<font color="

886
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,360
Then I'm afraid
you'll have to make that statement

887
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,120
to the Select Committee tomorrow.

888
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,960
If you make me read it out,
I won't come.

889
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,960
If you don't come...

890
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,440
we're fucked.

891
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Oh.

892
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
HE SIGHS

893
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,920
<font color="

894
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Carl Bernstein,
one of the great reporters

895
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,640
who exposed the Watergate scandal,
said,

896
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,320
"I think all good reporting
is the same thing.

897
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,400
"The best attainable version
of the truth."

898
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,600
<font color="
of the truth.

899
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,960
The best attainable...
So, no matter what, you've got...

900
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,760
..you've got to...

901
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Morning.

902
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Hi. Does this, erm,
printer-scanner thing still work?

903
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,320
Is...

904
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,880
<font color="

905
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,960
And do you have some black paper
and some glue and some scissors?

906
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,720
Aw, are you making me a collage,
Nick?

907
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,560
Might need the kids
to be slightly late for school.

908
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,840
Right. Why?

909
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,680
OK, so, these are emails

910
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,400
<font color="
that's Neville,

911
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,880
with transcriptions

912
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,320
of a man called Gordon Taylor's
voicemail messages.

913
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640
What I need you to do
is to block out all the sections

914
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
which are clearly transcribed
from those voicemails.

915
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,280
<font color="

916
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Should be able to tell which bits
are which. Any doubts, just ask.

917
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,320
Mm. May I ask, why aren't you
doing this at The Guardian,

918
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
with some sort of
vague professionalism?

919
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,400
Alan can't know.

920
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,240
<font color="

921
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Because I can't have him
tell anyone else.

922
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,240
Oh, yeah, that man is a gossip.

923
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,760
Fleet Street can't know about this.

924
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,600
As far as they know, I'm walking
naked into that committee room.

925
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,320
I was just trying
<font color="

926
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,600
And my newspaper.

927
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,840
And you?

928
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,560
What sort of danger
are you putting yourself in here?

929
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,200
HE SIGHS

930
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Nick.

931
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,040
How are you, Alan?

932
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,320
I'm fine. Bit tired.

933
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,600
Something interrupted my sleep
<font color="

934
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,160
I hate it when that happens.

935
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,680
I hate all of this.

936
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Sorry if I've made
your life difficult.

937
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,080
My life?

938
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,880
This is bigger than me.

939
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,520
You could have brought down

940
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,240
the whole Guardian newspaper
<font color="

941
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,240
But what a way to go.

942
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,080
I mean...

943
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,200
consider the glory.

944
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,200
"I, Nick Davies,

945
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,520
"have destroyed, utterly destroyed,

946
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,360
"close to 200 years
of journalistic endeavour."

947
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,880
You're an absolute... God!

948
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,080
<font color="
think what you are.

949
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,960
You're awful.

950
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,440
You know what Peter Preston told me
when I took over the editor's desk?

951
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,640
"Why in hell did they choose you?"

952
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,320
"Don't join the club."

953
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,720
He'd had to make adjustments
to the paper

954
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,360
<font color="
and he didn't...

955
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,120
well, he wouldn't
be part of the media cabal.

956
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,440
He liked being
on the edge of Fleet Street.

957
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,640
He considered it part of our DNA.

958
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Last night in bed,
I realised something.

959
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,240
<font color="

960
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,760
is in the line
of great Guardian coups.

961
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,080
But I do want to keep the newspaper
I've been entrusted with alive.

962
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,280
Are you reading the statement?

963
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,600
No.

964
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,040
But I do have things to say.

965
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,960
If you go too far,
<font color="

966
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,640
and you will stop.

967
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,480
I've got a paper to protect.

968
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,400
And you,
be sure to protect yourself.

969
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Tin hats on.

970
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,440
JOHN WHITTINGDALE:
Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.

971
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,240
Now, we have a lot of questions,

972
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,600
<font color="
short.

973
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,080
I'd like to keep this whole
experience quite short, if I may.

974
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,800
MURMURING, LAUGHTER

975
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
But I do have...
There is a lot for me to say.

976
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,640
I'd like to start by showing you,
first of all,

977
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,520
<font color="

978
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,120
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